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[edytuj] Tennis Discussion 2007

Hello. All the best in new tennis year! Very good, that Wikipedia has so strong international tennis team. You propably notice, also in pl-Wikipedia new author, Masti. He works with Anne Marie in Grand Slam champions lists.

Lately I worked rather in articles about people from Olsztyn. I hope to be back in tennis in short future. During winter meeting I was only few hours in Katowice. Unfortunetely, I have no idea, if Jed is buried in Katowice (could be also Kraków, I think), but I'll try to find this information. You're right, this is exactly that Daviscup match, with wrong place at official site, but also with good performance by Fibak.

Longevity topic I find very interesting to me. I added many people at category "Rekordziści długowieczności", including few Japanese people. Benedykta Mackiełło (or Mackieło), who died few days ago at age (propably) 113, lived in Ostróda, city very close to Olsztyn. Her case wasn't verified by Guinness, but if her age was right, she was the oldest European. Greetings, Berasategui 20:21, 3 sty 2007 (CET)

I've been working on Grand Slams by year, A / F / W / U. Mine in Japanese WP, all seeded players are listed! Through this process, I find various players. I finished writing 1987 events, when Steffi became World No.1. 1986, a big turning point of Australian Open... Today, I wrote Raffaella Reggi, the only Italian woman to win Grand Slam title in US Open 1986 mixed doubles. --Hhst 22:10, 3 sty 2007 (CET)

O Wandern, Wandern, meine Lust, O Wandern! (Das Wandern from Die Schöne Müllerin, by Franz Schubert) --Hhst 22:10, 3 sty 2007 (CET)

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Hello. Thank you for article about Kubot, I noticed it some time ago. I wait now for this one more step - last year another Pole Dawid Olejniczak was also in 3rd round of qualification, but lost to Swede Adaktusson, I think. I remember few years ago in Australia played Takao Suzuki - it was not with "Asian wild card", like Soeda? Anyway, all the best to young Japan player against Ancić! Have nice time during Grand Slam! Greetings Berasategui 21:09, 12 sty 2007 (CET)

Soeda is ranked No.179: He's an Asian wild card, perhaps. I was surprised to see Men's Singles drawsheet -- [w] doesn't appear there. Hall of Fame, Spanish category is growing so rapidly -- I can't follow Spanish Giant! --Hhst 23:54, 12 sty 2007 (CET)

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Hello. Thank you for memories from 1997. I remember rivalry between Graf and Hingis, it was realy good sporting event in late 1990., and Steffi had last word in it (Roland Garros final 1999). Colours in Steffi article are better now, I think. Propably former colours were more like surfaces of courts, but also too agressive. In fact, such elements like coloured tables, are very complicated to me. Finally, you have second tennis-author in Japanese Wikipedia! Very good news. Greetings Berasategui 13:48, 3 lut 2007 (CET) PS. I hope, Yone Miyagawa will stay much longer as oldest person than her precedessor. She is the youngest "oldest person" since 1988!

I have countless words about tennis scenes through 1997-1999, beyond my awkward English sentences. In 1998, I "shared" agonies with Steffi. Young players despised her efforts openly. Hingis said, "Steffi can't win me again" like that! (Only one girl, Serena Williams paid respect, in Evert Cup final in March 1999.) Gradually, I got disgusted with watching WTA Tour events -- there, "Hingis' rival" Tiger Woods appeared. (Woods is "a friend of Federer" now, but he's still "Hingis' rival" for me.) --Hhst 14:19, 3 lut 2007 (CET)

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Hello. Thank you, I forget, that already 3 years... In fact, I'm sitting in the very same place, when 3 years ago, but with new desk and new computer - and between those years more time I spend in another city. And this is my first edition at all, under IP number, about month earlier [1]. It was short note about deceased polish general. Few words about your comments in "Poczekalnia" (deletion-waitingroom) - Przemysław Kruk is polish snooker player, one of pioneers in Poland, popular as "Eurosport" commentator in this discipline. Jan Cymanowski was a polish catholic priest, during communist regime temporary head of Gdańsk diocesy (but not bishop, only vicar capitular). I find both persons quite enough important to keep in Wikipedia, so thank you for voting (tennis user Masti voted against Cymanowski in "Poczekalnia"). As almost always, I only worked with articles - I think, most discussion about deletion in pl-Wikipedia have no sense at all.

I read some time ago about Ramirez. I remember, that he was point-collector, played in many tournaments (something like today Davydenko), and this way was winner of Grand Prix tour in pre-ATP Tour-time. Pair Gottfired/Ramires was propably best team in few years between McMillan-Hewitt and McEnroe-Fleming. Greetings Berasategui 23:39, 10 lut 2007 (CET)

Thank you for a long message again. Discussions about deletions, Japanese Wikipedia is much more nonsense than your Polish. We have piles of "discussion-maniacs" -- They don't have any will to grow articles themselves. They only write opportunistic comments on SDU subpages. Even "blocking discussion maniacs" exist, an evil fact! That's why I prefer to be on your side, rather than watching nonsense discussions between us. Here, I have to write 6 more players to reach 400. --Hhst 23:58, 10 lut 2007 (CET)

?? I found two conductors there, Eduard van Beinum and Christoph von Dohnányi from your oldest editions. I've been interested in conductors, much earlier than tennis -- my favorite person, Leonard Bernstein for 26 years. He has 26 languages in Wikipedia, the same as Herbert von Karajan. Japanese Version is the second biggest -- I've added most of it. --Hhst 14:59, 6 mar 2007 (CET)

Hello. In fact, when I started with Wikipedia, my idea was to made best biographical dictionary in the world. I still believe, that with so many people, in whole world, this is possible. Those early days I added biographical articles without special logic, just in topic, which I found. In category famous conductors, much later I remember also article Mariss Jansons, added hours after New Year Concert 2006. Thank you for death date of early player Eaves, as you know, Hedges left few people without those informations. Another example is Harold Barlow, one of first "nikefobic" players (today Agnieszka Radwańska lost after 3 matchpoinst against Safarova, so it is still actual! I lost once match in amatours tournament after 5:0, 40:0 final set and once tie-break from 6:0, too). Greetings Berasategui 22:18, 9 mar 2007 (CET)

I noticed Mariss Jansons too, when I categorized Kategoria:Biografie według narodowości for sportspeople. Your favorite classical artist, James Galway? G In fact, I "miss" your tennis articles. I'll try to renew my subpage of Japanese Tennis history. Thank you for kind messages! --Hhst 00:06, 10 mar 2007 (CET)

?? Your English sentences have many mistakes. Due to Agnieszka's miserable loss, like a nightmare? "In fact, when I started Wikipedia, my idea was to make the best biographical dictionary in the world." I found Harold Barlow's lifetime from Lance Tingay's 100 Years of Wimbledon (Barlow was a doubles champion 1892). Very surprised, his birthday and death date -- both the same (5 kwietnia / 16 lipca) as Herbert von Karajan. --Hhst 12:54, 10 mar 2007 (CET)

Thank you for notice world senior absence, I'll add him to biographies list immediately. In fact, I often forgot doing it with my own articles. Once again, be patient to my English, I know it is full of errors, but I'm really no talent to languages. Interesting thing with Karajan and Barlow - propably you should write Barlow article, he really deserve it! Real sportsmen. My favorite classic musician? Not Galway, propably for such obscure music fan like me it should be rather composer than performer. I like many composers, from different times, Bach, Mozart, Chopin. Have you heard about composer Feliks Nowowiejski? He was born in Barczewo, near Olsztyn, and lived in Olsztyn for many years. Greetings Berasategui 12:05, 11 mar 2007 (CET)

Sorry, I've never heard Feliks Nowowiejski's name. I'll try to search from my favorite online CD shop. About Chopin, I love pieces of rather bigger scale -- Scherzo No.1 B-moll op.20, Nocturne No.13 C-moll op.48-1, and so forth. Chopin's music came to Japan soon after his death, in early Meiji Era. Back to tennis, I finished Jakob Hlasek and Guy Forget with a long period. Next challenges, Gottfried, Ramirez, Metreveli, Harold Solomon, John Sadri will be. (Poor AnneMary: she never edits men for one year!) --Hhst 13:17, 11 mar 2007 (CET)

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Thank you for great material! I added Fukuda, very interesting person. I started already working in Teacher article, propably it will be ready in few days. Surly rest of "Open Era" champions will be ready before Roland Garros. I hope to find enough time to be back in normal-tennis-Wikipedia-work about June. Of course some articles could be ready earlier (special those two Japanese ladies). In my plans also interesting African-American sister-duo - Margaret and Roumania Peters. Greetings Berasategui 00:01, 24 mar 2007 (CET)

Masanosuke Fukuda used "Eastern Grip" like Bill Tilden, but his rival Takeichi Harada did "Western Grip" like Bill Johnston. The author of Harada's biography, Kimiko Kobayashi wrote "If he could watch French Open final 1994, grip of Alberto Berasategui...?" at her prologue. --Hhst 00:18, 24 mar 2007 (CET)

Hello. Indeed, forhand grip of Alberto Berasategui was something extreme. I remember comments in polish press, that both Wayne Ferreira and Javier Frana resign form continuing matches in French Open 1994 becouse of frustration of it, not with injuries (my forhand is not so original, my collegues rather smile about my backhand, played with straight legs. BTW, we started preparing our courts for new season this week!) Thank you very much for informations about Hasegawa Tohaku. This is rather not my cup of tea, but still very interesting person and tradition, so I tried to write article. I hope it will be good enough, at least for beginning. Greetings Berasategui 20:20, 1 kwi 2007 (CEST)

About French Open 1994, I remember Championship Ceremony after the final. First, Sergi Bruguera made his champion speech in fluent French. Afterwards, Berasategui said "I can't speak French...". (French Open, winner -> runner-up) I've been in favor of this nice guy too. He grew up in Basque: Court surfaces different from Katalonia? --Hhst 05:48, 2 kwi 2007 (CEST)

[edytuj] Cześć Magnificent Wimbledon

Hello! So, I use new section in your discussion page. Thank you very much for interesting recommendations. My collection of tennis books hasn't growing last time, unfortunetely. About Tłoczyński - yes, he was 8th seeded in 1939 Wimbledon, but got only to III round, beat by Mahmood from India; in 1939 Pole played much better in Roland Garros, reaching quaterfinal in singles (lost to Riggs) and semifinal in doubles (with Adam Baworowski, II WW victim). He was much better clay player, not grass. BTW, I followed link in en:Wikipedia from 1939 Wimbledon article, but drawsheet is from 1929 championships! The same error is on ITF site (at least in external link from en:Wikipedia).

I'll try to wrote before Roland Garros also Asboth and Bernard, to have all champions from French since tournament become international. Greetings, Berasategui 13:35, 6 maja 2007 (CEST) PS. Last time I was busy in my club, here is my picture during court preparation. -- Linkcut: Finished downloading, added IE shortcut --Hhst 23:07, 10 maja 2007 (CEST)

Yes, I noticed ITF drawsheet error: That made my work tougher than usual. I filled Tłoczyński's 3rd round loss from your article. Great Poles, not only Jed -- How surprising to me! I guess, you chose writing articles and tennis than Wikimedia Polska 2007. Three days ago, I wrote 400 tennis players for Japanese Wikipedia -- the person Harold Solomon. --Hhst 13:49, 6 maja 2007 (CEST)

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Hello. Nice to see Ai back in Grand Slam final. Srebotnik - great tournament, with final also in mixed-doubles. Thank you for your work in our categories! I saw your editions, they are very impressive.

I'm afraid, I will not be able to help you with category about Soviet people. Here, in Poland, is not easy even to find right word to start such category. Some time ago, conflict for name "radziecki" versus "sowiecki" costed polish Wikipedia active author (Wikipedysta:Halibutt). Can say, it is political and historical problem (very special neighbours contacts in past). Another problem, paralel to English, we have no good words to name this category, all names - People from USSR or Soviet people - are in Polish not natural. So, general, it's too controversial for me to start such category, I hope, you'll understand it. Maybe someone with more solid support in polish community, like Roo72, can help you. Greetings, Berasategui 00:47, 7 cze 2007 (CEST)

I see. Quite controversial, here in Poland, former communism country. I don't know, who is the right person to bring this request. Thank you for detailed explanation. --Hhst 00:54, 7 cze 2007 (CEST)

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Hello. Once again - what a great work with categories! I think, it is good idea with section "new articles" in tennis portal. I asked Anne Mary, as editor-in-chef in portal, about her opinion. I think, right place for new section would be right column, propably above section of lacking articles. I hope to find more time and adding new articles in few weeks, maybe one month. Greetings Berasategui 09:25, 18 cze 2007 (CEST)

Thank you for bringing idea to Anne Marie. Here I have to write two women, Alice Marble and Pauline Betz -- Then, Wimbledon Women's singles champions are complete in Japanese WP. Recently, I'm adding Formula 1 Grand Prix templates. New star, Lewis Hamilton won two consecutive GPs -- His reputation "Tiger Woods of F1"!! Woods missed "Triple Grand Slam": he finished second place at the US Open Golf. (His Majors: Masters 4 / US Open 2 / British Open 3 / PGA Championship 3). --Hhst 12:02, 18 cze 2007 (CEST)

Anne Marie starts section "new articles" in tennis portal. What a rainy Wimbledon this year! Greetings Berasategui 10:59, 6 lip 2007 (CEST)

You came here too? I'm a "secret fan" of Marcos Baghdatis. This month, I have to write 14 more players to reach 500 in Japanese WP. Just now, I finished Juliette Atkinson. Do you remember my archive? July 8th, Selena helped me to see you for the first time. 2005.7.8 --Hhst 13:00, 6 lip 2007 (CEST)

It's very nice to have new language wersion of Jadwiga Jędrzejowska. And our tennis-talks - already two years? How fast! Baghdatis played today great comeback match, but lost. Also ladies sensation, sad for Anne Marie - in summary, you can say very interesting day at All England, and without rain at last. I added Brazilian Sa, inspired by his fascinating II round doubles match. As singles quaterfinalist from 2002 and now doubles semifinalist, he is quite succesful player at Wimbledon for South-American. Berasategui 20:17, 6 lip 2007 (CEST)

Marion Bartoli is a well-known player in Japan: She won Aiko Nakamura at Japan Open women's singles final. Great progress for her! About me, I enjoy new pictures of your amateur tennis club album. --Hhst 00:40, 7 lip 2007 (CEST)

Magnificent Wimbledon, great monument built there! 8 weeks later -- Federer will reach another historical record. Continuous World No.1 possession: "186 weeks". He will surpass Steffi, the longest record of the tennis world!! --Hhst 15:50, 9 lip 2007 (CEST)

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Hello. I'm really surprised with Marble's relation. As you know, Jędrzejowska played tennis after war, even was in Roland Garros mixed doubles final (with heavy 0:6, 0:6 defeat). It means, that Alice contact with world of tennis must be not very close those days. In her memories Jed wrote about her surprise with first Wimbledon visit after war - that so many her rivals from old times are absent - include Marble! (also Round, Jacobs, Lizana, Mathieu, Stammers). Similar note you can find about Jędrzejowska visit at US Championship in 1962 - she got special invitation, together with male polish champions Skonecki and Gąsiorek, and even reach IInd round of tournament at 50! Those days she met Helen Jacobs, but without success tried to met also Marble, Stammers, Scriven... In fact, during war Jędrzejowska stay in Poland, although she was invited by Gustav V to Sweden. As she wrote, even German authorities agreed for her to leave, but she deciced to stay in country as act of solidarity. Of course, during occupation times she wasn't able to play tennis. But still compliements to Jed from Marble are great! (I added Hellwig). Greetings, Berasategui 12:31, 22 lip 2007 (CEST)

Precious information from Poland again! I started preparing Tony Trabert after a long blank. I'd love to mention Davis Cup 1951 tie in my article. Captains Frank Shields vs. Ichiya Kumagae -- the first moment of Japanese tennis after the war. --Hhst 12:53, 22 lip 2007 (CEST)

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Thank you for your kind message. My personal life become rapidly down and I had no power to edit Wikipedia during last months. In fact, only activity those days was continuing play tennis at my club, just to forget about everything. But this is public discussion, no place for such words. Maybe now I'll try to be back here, so your idea I find very interesting and nice. Greetings, Berasategui 21:45, 7 paź 2007 (CEST)

Thank you for returning here: My 500th tennis article is Dick Savitt. I have to write two French champions, Don McNeill and Budge Patty to fill Mistrzowie French Open w grze pojedynczej (after 1925). --Hhst 10:15, 8 paź 2007 (CEST)

By the way, I bought Rafał Blechacz's debut CD: Chopin's 24 Preludes. He's a delicate pianist! --Hhst 10:19, 8 paź 2007 (CEST)

[edytuj] Close to Chopin's Lifetime

Hello. Thank you very much for all your work in polish Wikipedia! My work with biographies lists it's nothing more than realization of declaration from my wikipedia site, which I wrote short after beginning: Try to reach with Wikipedia best ever biographical dictionnary. Those lists are framework of our dictionnary. But this is heavy work to do, with new entries every day... Look here, you become very, very active pl-Wikipedia user, with more editions then many sysops. Congratulations! Of course, you are right - Kazimierz Jaworski, who died in 2005, was yacht captain and builder, so far no article.

I choose Owen Davidson as very possible Hall of Fame member next year (could be interesting: Davidson election year after another Davidson, Sven!); maybe I should also add articles about nominated contributors, Dell and McCormack. Talking about Mr. Rapsodin, is it right, that this year Sweidsh Tennis Hall of Famers are sport-journalist? Greetings, Berasategui 16:48, 1 gru 2007 (CET) PS. I hope, I used good place in your discussion.

Thanks to you, Polish Wikipedia is "my second homeland WP project". Paul Winchell performed Tigger of Winnie-the-Pooh, my favorite character. (Tigger is the same as my real life.) I wrote «The Tigger Movie» in Japanese WP! However, Winchell couldn't appear The Tigger Movie. I bought his autobiography «WINCH» too. --Hhst 05:16, 2 gru 2007 (CET)

Section name: I'll turn 39 next April. Rafał Blechacz's 24 Preludes fascinated me, and I read Chopin's biography again -- Chopin wrote letters from Scotland in 1848 (at 38), "I can't compose anything!!" He couldn't master English, returned to Paris, and died. Sometimes, my plans of tennis articles don't make good progress -- I think "exhausted feelings" of Chopin. --Hhst 05:16, 2 gru 2007 (CET)

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Hello and welcome in new year. Thank you for interesting recommendations; in fact, I never used Amazon so far, but I saw, that it is full of interesting positions. Purcell - well, believe me, my German is even worst than English, although I can understand both languages well enough to use it as materials for polish version. Highlight of my German Wikipedia editions is de:Krystyna Pałka, I think only article that I started there (funny, half of year earlier than polish version!).

I have no idea about Filippini's part in that interesting record. I remember him for last 16 round at Roland Garros 1992, with another Uruguayan player Diego Perez. Two Uruguayans in top 16 of Grand Slam tournament - I think only once in history, at last unique in our times. In 1999, when Filippini reached even round higher, I didn't follow French Open regulary, becouse of my army service.

"Tl" looks very rare start to names. I started new site of "Noty biograficzne", but propably twin sisters Tlałka (married with French brothers Mogore) will stay there long as only persons. About Randriantefy - yes, form "madagaskarska" is good; you can sometimes find also for people from Madagascar in polish "malgaski/malgaska" (form from ethnic name "Malagasy people", in polish Malgasze), but I think it would be not always right word (propably not every Madagascarian is Malagasy). Greetings, Berasategui (dyskusja) 15:08, 4 sty 2008 (CET)

Thank you for immediate response! French Open 1999, your army service -- Golden Final of women's singles Hingis vs. Graf!! Hingis got an "angry girl". (Her "second retirement", another disgrace.) Roland Garros 1992, Kimiko Date was chosen No. 14 seed for the first time, a big history in Japanese tennis too. I remember your German article de:Władysław Skonecki. You introduced him in my talkpage (long time ago, June 2006). --Hhst (dyskusja) 15:40, 4 sty 2008 (CET) -- Two Japanese women in top 16 of Grand Slam tournament, Date and Akiko Kijimuta, the same event. Akiko challenged Monica Seles there, 1:6 6:3 4:1... --Hhst (dyskusja) 04:17, 5 sty 2008 (CET)

In fact, I forget about Skonecki. But this German article is also poor, as you see. I've got new tennis-book Zwycięskie meczbole (can be translated "winning matchpoints"), by Kordian Tarasiewicz and Andrzej Zakrzewski - with material to some additions for polish version of Skonecki. Final Graf-Hingis in 1999 I watched partially, as men final Agassi-Medvedev, too (I think those days all Grand Slam finals were still in polish state television). French Open 1992 - for me just to early as tennis fan, I remember only from press relations (as regular fan I started with Olympic games in Barcelona final Rosset-Arrese in August and then US Open final Edberg-Sampras); I read of course about Kijimuta achievement, and about "tired man of tournament" Nicklas Kulti, and two brilliant lefties - Korda and Leconte. Berasategui (dyskusja) 23:15, 5 sty 2008 (CET)

How did you get interested in tennis, soon after communism in Poland fell down?? I've imagined your young days, "He watched it as a 13-year-old delicate lad". I can't believe your words, army service, Polish state television in 1999. About me, I disliked Monica's gesture in 1992 -- French Open women's singles final result, 3:6 6:3 "8:10" dissatisfied me. (Steffi couldn't stop Monica's bloom after all.)

A Japanese folk song published in 1971, "Kids Don't Know the War". "We were born after the war ended. // We grew up without knowing the war. ..." (Translation into English, quite awkward as usual.) Such sort of popular songs may be much tragic in Poland, I guess. How sad Chopin could be in 1831, when he wrote Etude No.12 (Revolution) ! --Hhst (dyskusja) 14:51, 6 sty 2008 (CET)

So, Poland's post-war history is quite strange. I have of course some memories from last years of communism, include Chernobyl distaster, and year 1989 also, but Poland and pl-Wiki too are so full of politics, that I don't want to talk about them in public (only becouse of my attitude to history, I can be easily attributed to some of current political parties by my Wikipedia collegues and I don't want it). My interests in tennis began accidentally: my collegues form school started to play on empty court nearly, so I tried it too; but after I won against both of them, they resigned from tennis and I finded my current club. In 1992 polish tennis was really in crisis, and interests in discipline, which started with Wojciech Fibak's successes, disappear; you could find many empty courties those days... I remember, I bought not only racket and balls, but also tennis net. Nice times. Berasategui (dyskusja) 12:33, 16 sty 2008 (CET) PS. "Noblista" means recipient of Nobel Prize.

I haven't fulfilled my promise to introduce a Japanese song, based on Battle of Okinawa in 1945. How many people lost their lives there? They lie under "sugarcane fields" spreading all over Okinawa. Endless windsound "Zawawa" flows -- A little girl looks for her dead father in sugarcane fields. Hearing endless windsound, she cries silently, "Where is my father? I wish to call him my daddy!" Sad to say, Japanese education of world history tends to deny what we actually did. Japanese Wikipedia has "political parties" too. My recent works, Joe Hunt and Ernie Parker, both killed in World Wars. (PS. AnneMary returned to my talkpage yesterday about Tennis Project discussions -- Her habits haven't changed during the two years. Message from you??) --Hhst (dyskusja) 13:26, 16 sty 2008 (CET)

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Hello. Once again thank you for your great work with our biographies lists, I added explanations (article about Mike Frankenberg, mother of actress Jane Seymour, was deleted, as I asked). I'm glad, that those voting in tennis project finished as I wanted, becouse of real tradition in such style score's writing in Poland. Atmosphere of voting was not nice, in fact. I believe, it's not nesessery to have so restricted norms, as some people wanted. In my opinion Wikipedia needs more free style of writing, maybe even in typing. It's not possible to write interesting biographies in such style, which my polish collegues called "encyclopedical"! I want to write about interesting people and not boring users, special when I'm writing about tennis. This is my observation for 4 years here.

You're right about "Biblioteka", I'll start special page in days. BTW, I just (begin of February) started new job as librarian in University Library in Olsztyn.

Popularity of tennis in Poland, thanks to Agnieszka Radwańska, growing again. First good start in Australia, then tournament win, then advance to TOP 20. I hope your "Prince of tennis" will have also many succeses, at least in class of Matsuoka. What a surprise tournament he had! (but recently Stakhnovsky not bad too, win after lucky loser position!).

My best wishes to Mr. Rapsodin! And how Nowowiejski's music? His work, "My beloved Warmia", you can hear every day in Olsztyn city hall at 12. Greetings, Berasategui (dyskusja) 22:22, 3 mar 2008 (CET)

Olsztyn is the capital city of Województwo warmińsko-mazurskie: "mazurskie", near the origin of Chopin's mazurkas?? Classical music field of Polish Wikipedia is rather weak, I'm afraid. Even no category for Chopin's music in Kategoria:Dzieła muzyki poważnej!! Userboxes, muz is much fewer than mat. 24 Preludes, No.7 A-dur has been used for a Japanese TV advertisement of digestive medicine (Ōta Isan) over 30 years. I love the last, No. 24 D-moll, the only one work Chopin wrote in this tune. --Hhst (dyskusja) 05:10, 4 mar 2008 (CET)